Feb 12, 2026 3-5pm ET
Thursday on The Robert Scott Bell Show:
Hour 1
Special Guest: Jonathan Emord
For the past 37 years, Jonathan W. Emord has litigated against the federal bureaucracy, winning over and over again. Ron Paul calls Jonathan “an expert in constitutional theory and history” and “an expert litigator with a long string of legal victories over the federal bureaucracy.” George Noory calls him “a Knight in Shining Armor” and “a warrior out to save our rights.” Congressmen Dan Burton and John Doolittle describe him as “an intellectual warrior for the rights and freedoms of people in America.” Jonathan has a unique, detailed knowledge of the federal bureaucracy, the deep state. He knows how to defeat it. Jonathan graduated from the University of Illinois (BA, political science and history, 1982) and DePaul University College of Law (JD, 1985). He served as an attorney in the Federal Communications Commission during the Reagan administration. A leading constitutional law and litigation expert, he is the author of five critically acclaimed books. He has won more cases against the Food and Drug Administration in federal court than any other attorney in American history, earning him the nickname “FDA Dragon Slayer.” He is a columnist for Townhall.com, PJ Media.com, Americangreatness.com, and the U.S.A. Today Magazine. He frequently appears on national radio and television programs. He is married to Sheryl Emord, and they have two children, twins Justice and Angelica. They reside in Clifton, Virginia.
In this Sacred Fire of Liberty edition, I sat down once again with my good friend, constitutional attorney and freedom fighter Jonathan Emord, for a fiery discussion that touched everything from free speech in healthcare to the corruption of government science. We kicked things off celebrating a surprise victory — YouTube restoring our channel after years of censorship. Even our most “dangerous” episodes, including those banned for telling the truth about health freedom, are back online. Jonathan credited Rep. Jim Jordan for helping make that happen but made it clear: censorship in service of political power should never have happened in the first place. It’s proof that platforms like Rumble, which stood firm for free speech, are showing more integrity than bureaucrats or big tech companies ever will.
From there, Jonathan and I dove into the ongoing government shutdown, which he said is less about helping people and more about Democrats pushing their trillion-dollar wish list — funding failed Obamacare expansions and social programs for illegal immigrants. He proposed something brilliant: a National Shutdown Lottery — a voluntary way to fund essential services like the military and nuclear defense while starving the bloated bureaucracy of its unearned privilege. It’s a constitutional, voluntary model of how real Americans could support what matters without being coerced through taxation. Jonathan warned that politicians like Chuck Schumer are pandering to the radical left — terrified of being outflanked by AOC and her socialist base — but in the end, the shutdown is exposing how broken and bloated our federal machine has become.
We shifted into the deep rot inside the healthcare system — what Jonathan rightly called “a government-sponsored monopoly.” He laid out how Medicare, the FDA, and bureaucratic overlords have trapped doctors into a collectivist, cookie-cutter system where innovation and individualized care are crushed. He described representing physicians accused of “fraud” simply for recommending nutritional or lifestyle interventions instead of toxic pharmaceuticals — even when they didn’t bill Medicare. These doctors, he said, weren’t defrauding anyone; they were defying the drug cartel that owns modern medicine. Jonathan made it clear: chronic disease in America is chronic not because it must be — but because the government says so. The real fraud is the one perpetrated by bureaucrats and pharmaceutical lobbyists who criminalize healing that threatens their profits.
We also discussed the Alliance for Natural Health’s legal efforts to restore free speech about nutrients and disease prevention. Jonathan is leading multiple petitions and First Amendment challenges to the FDA’s unconstitutional censorship of truthful health claims — everything from selenium and saw palmetto to vitamins that actually lower blood pressure, cholesterol, and blood sugar. The FDA forces companies to use false language like “helps maintain healthy levels” when science shows these nutrients lower those levels directly. Meanwhile, consumers are kept ignorant, doctors are punished for honesty, and supplement makers who actually care — people like John Hewlett of Cardio Miracle or the folks at Better Way Health — are silenced. As Jonathan said, “Censorship is costing lives.”
We wrapped by exposing how government science has become an oxymoron — politicized, captured, and manipulated by unelected bureaucrats serving industry rather than truth. When government controls science, you don’t get progress — you get propaganda. Jonathan and I agreed that most politicians, even well-meaning ones, have no idea how deep the rot goes at agencies like the FDA and NIH. And while Trump’s deregulation and defense of free markets are helping the economy, Jonathan argued that real healthcare reform won’t happen until we reclaim freedom of speech in medicine. That’s the battle he’s waging — to restore truth, dismantle the monopoly, and finally return healthcare to what it should be: the sacred relationship between a healer and the individual, not the government and its pharmaceutical sponsors.
Trump Winning Shutdown Fight As Public Opinion Shifts In His Favor The article argues that President Donald Trump appears to be gaining the upper hand in the ongoing 2025 federal government shutdown, with polling and internal messaging cited as showing a favorable shift in public sentiment. It states that whereas in past shutdowns Mr. Trump suffered politically, this time around his narrative is portrayed as more resilient thanks to tighter media control and a clearer framing of the stakes—particularly portraying the crisis as one of border security, illegal immigration, and enforcement of health subsidies. The piece cites a self-referenced claim that internal White House polling shows Republican Congress members’ favorability trending upward by four percentage points, while Democratic members’ favorability dropped six points over a short span of weeks. It further suggests that even mainstream outlets are acknowledging the change, implying that the president has learned from past shutdowns and improved messaging around blame and control. The article frames Democrats’ refusal to pass a “clean continuing resolution” as politically untenable and describes them as demanding items like ACA subsidies for non-citizens and media funding in exchange for reopening the government. It concludes by speculating whether increased public support can translate into legislative leverage for the White House and asks whether prolonged shutdown impacts—such as worker layoffs or airport delays—could reverse the trend.
Stage 5 TDS: Deranged De Niro Calls For Leftists To “Fight It Out” With “Nazis” In a televised appearance on MSNBC, actor Robert De Niro accused the Donald Trump administration of being “Nazis” and urged left-leaning Americans to engage in direct confrontation with what he described as fascist forces, claiming Trump would refuse to leave office if defeated. He repeatedly labeled Trump-adviser Stephen Miller as a Nazi and mocked his Jewish background, declaring that Miller “should be ashamed of himself.” De Niro asserted that the typical democratic process is insufficient to remove Trump, stating “we have to keep fighting and pushing until he is out, period,” while framing the rhetoric as analogous to a bully who must be forced into retreat rather than negotiated with. He further characterized everyday Americans—especially in rural areas—as misinformed and aligned with Trump because they “don’t get the truth” from their media. The article argues that this episode illustrates what it describes as “Stage 5 TDS,” a term used by critics to signal extreme anti-Trump fixation, and warns that the actor’s words may incite political violence by equating a democratically elected leader with Nazism and encouraging physical resistance.
Don Lemon Urges ‘Black and Brown People’ to Buy Guns During Illegal Immigration Crackdown Former CNN anchor Don Lemon encouraged legally residing Black and Brown Americans to exercise their Second Amendment rights by obtaining firearm licenses in response to what he described as aggressive immigration enforcement by federal authorities. Speaking on the podcast The Left Hook with host Wajahat Ali, Lemon asserted that when law-enforcement officers begin “knocking on your door and taking you away without due process,” gun ownership becomes a practical safeguard, particularly for minority households. He clarified his comments were not an endorsement of violence, but emphasized the importance of defensive readiness, especially for those who live legally in the U.S. Lemon also criticized what he perceives as racial double standards in gun-rights discourse, saying right-wing commentators celebrate firearm ownership when white Americans speak about it but react harshly when people of color do. Additionally, he contrasted illegal-immigration enforcement with the criminality of former President Trump, stating that crossing the border unlawfully is “nowhere near” the level of falsifying business records for which Trump was convicted. The remarks come amid intense national discussion around immigration, enforcement policy, and divergent messages in the gun-rights landscape.
FDA Stayed Silent as Internal Reports About Potential Tylenol Risks Piled Up Internal documents from the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) show that its own drug-safety experts had, as early as 2016 through 2022, repeatedly recommended public communications to pregnant women about potential risks associated with prenatal use of Acetaminophen (commonly known by brand name Tylenol), including associations with autism and ADHD in children, yet agency leadership delayed action for years. The documents, obtained by the Daily Caller News Foundation via FOIA, reveal that while internal memos described a “need,” “desirability,” or “importance” of communicating these concerns, the FDA’s public stance remained largely unchanged from a 2015 webpage that simply acknowledged awareness of possible links without further guidance. Agency scientists reviewed dozens of observational studies—some showing elevated risks of developmental disorders tied to prenatal acetaminophen exposure—but senior agency officials reportedly deferred warnings, opted for more study, and resisted label-changes despite internal reviews recommending precautionary notifications. The article asserts that it was only after political pressure in September 2025 that the FDA announced a nuanced communication effort, nearly a decade after initial internal warnings. The delay raises questions about transparency, regulatory responsiveness, and the balance of risk-communication for common over-the-counter medications used during pregnancy.
What Is the State and Who Controls It? The article examines fundamental questions about the nature of the state, its origins, and who ultimately holds power in it, tracing philosophical theory from Plato and Aristotle through Enlightenment thinkers such as Hobbes and Locke, to modern critiques by Oppenheimer and Rothbard. Aristotle viewed the state as an organic community designed to promote the common good and structured by laws and education, while Hobbes saw it as a necessary sovereign authority to prevent chaos. Locke, contrarily, regarded the state as a minimal protector of life, liberty, and property, subject to overthrow when it becomes tyrannical. The piece then surveys Hegel’s vision of the state as the manifestation of historical reason, followed by radical views that label the state as a predatory, alien force imposed on society. It highlights Jouvenel’s insight that elites within society gradually monopolize coercive power and turn themselves into rulers, rather than genuine representatives. The author argues that in modern Western states, this elite capture of power—through bureaucracies, regulatory agencies, and judicial institutions—subverts the original compact of limited government and popular sovereignty. He contends the remaining questions are less about what the state is, and more about what social, economic, and technocratic forces dictate its actions. The article ultimately questions whether the state serves the governed or the governors, calling for renewed vigilance over institutional power.
Government Science Is an Oxymoron The article argues that the notion of “government science” is fundamentally flawed because when research is conducted or funded by the state, it inherently becomes politicized and undermines true scientific inquiry. The author suggests that politics corrupts research more than profit motives and that the assumption governments must lead in scientific innovation is often baseless. It points to the historical record, noting that major technological breakthroughs occurred during periods of minimal public funding—such as Britain’s Industrial Revolution and the early U.S. ascendance—contradicting the typical incentive argument for government-funded research. The piece critiques the so-called linear model in which government money for “basic research” leads sequentially to applied tech and economic growth, stating it fails to account for private initiative and often crowds out creativity. It further argues that government funding creates perverse incentives for awarding projects based on status and political alignment rather than merit, and that regulators frequently resist transparency, delay warnings, or suppress findings that do not suit prevailing policy agendas. The author concludes that valuing government as the chief arbitrator of scientific truth diminishes accountability, distorts knowledge production, and ultimately betrays the spirit of inquiry in favor of state control.
Hour 2
At the 25th Anniversary of the Weston A. Price Foundation, I reconnected with my longtime friend Mike Broadwell, an engineer-turned-energy innovator whose work bridges science and spirituality. A Georgia Tech graduate and former technical sales specialist, Mike’s curiosity about consciousness and holistic health led him from engineering into energy medicine. His journey began in the early 2000s, hosting some of the first energy medicine summits featuring pioneers like Donna Eden, Alex Lloyd, and Claude Swanson. Over time, he discovered that healing wasn’t about “fixing” but about returning to presence—helping people quiet the noise that interrupts the body’s self-healing ability.
That realization inspired Mike to create SolaraGem, a modern evolution of crystal and color therapy rooted in ancient Ayurvedic and Dinshaw systems. The device projects LED light through specially designed crystal lenses—each with up to seven gemstones—to stimulate the body’s energetic balance. Drawing on his engineering background, Mike reimagined what was once a $6,000 professional system into an affordable and accessible tool for both practitioners and home users. The system, endorsed by leaders like Dr. Lee Cowden, blends the precision of modern engineering with the subtle power of light and vibration to restore calm, coherence, and connection to self.
Mike’s philosophy is simple yet profound: “Healing isn’t fixing—healing is more you.” By entering a parasympathetic, meditative state, the body naturally reawakens its own healing mechanisms. His work reminds us that true wellness isn’t mechanical but conscious—a reconnection to the stillness that allows life to flow freely again. For more on Mike’s technology and how it can help restore balance, visit SolaraGem.com
At the Weston A. Price Foundation’s 25th anniversary, I caught up with Rich Pauwels, better known as Rich Nuts, the founder of the wildly popular sprouted nut company bearing his nickname. Rich’s journey is as remarkable as his products — from 20 years as a Los Angeles County firefighter and paramedic to a natural foods entrepreneur driven by health, curiosity, and integrity. While working long wildfire shifts with little access to real food, Rich relied on raw cashews for energy — until they began making him sick. That led him down the path of discovering lectins and phytic acid, anti-nutrients that block digestion, and the realization that sprouting could unlock a nut’s full nutritional power.
From his kitchen experiments with cashews, sage, and rosemary in Topanga Canyon to selling sprouted snacks at local farmers markets, Rich built Rich Nuts literally from the ground up. The process he perfected — soaking, germinating, seasoning, and dehydrating — transforms nuts into a cleaner, more digestible food without additives or preservatives. His flavors reflect his global inspiration and firefighter grit: savory sage, garlic balsamic, curry cashew, maple pecan, cinnamon walnut crunch, and trail mix with antioxidant-rich berries. Each one is crafted for flavor, function, and feel-good nourishment. As Rich likes to say, “Let my obsession serve you.”
Now working remotely with his wife — the “Goddess in Chief” of the company — Rich continues to spread the sprouted revolution through RichNuts.com
At the 25th Anniversary of the Weston A. Price Foundation’s Wise Traditions conference, I finally caught up with Sarah Patterson, founder of Red Acre Farm and the Red Acre Center, whose biodynamic produce — especially her carrots — redefines what real food tastes like. Her journey began at just 14 years old when she launched a CSA in her Utah community to feed families directly. She didn’t just grow food; she grew relationships. What began as an act of youthful curiosity turned into a lifelong mission to cultivate nutrient-dense, spiritually connected, and locally rooted food using biodynamic principles that treat the land as a living organism.
Sarah explained that Red Acre Farm operates as a local, hands-on business — you can’t order online; you have to visit in person to experience it. Meanwhile, Red Acre Center, her nonprofit, works statewide to advocate for small farmers, local food systems, and sustainable agriculture policy. Every January, they host the Utah Farm and Food Conference, bringing together growers, advocates, and consumers to collaborate on the future of real food in America. As Sarah put it, their motto, “Your food matters,” isn’t just a slogan — it’s a way of life. Her philosophy is simple yet profound: “Don’t try to feed the world. Feed yourself and your neighbor, and the world will be fed.”
Her energy and wisdom are well beyond her 30 years, radiating the same vitality as the food she grows. When she spoke about farming as sacred work — a healing relationship between people and the earth — it was clear she’s not just producing crops, she’s cultivating community and consciousness. I told her I’d love to broadcast live from Red Acre Farm one day, and judging by her invitation, that just might happen. Until then, visit RedAcreCenter.org
At the 25th Anniversary of the Weston A. Price Foundation’s Wise Traditions Conference, I wrapped up the weekend with an incredible conversation with Dr. Will Schlinsog, chiropractor and founder of Walkabout Health Products—home of the cleanest, purest emu oil I’ve ever encountered. Will’s story is as unconventional as it is inspiring: after retiring from chiropractic practice in California, he moved back to Wisconsin, started a milk delivery trucking company, and unexpectedly discovered emu oil through an Australian connection. A torn rotator cuff, one sleepless night, and a little experimentation changed everything. He rubbed the oil on his shoulder and slept pain-free for the first time in weeks. That single experience sparked a mission that led him and his wife to build a business dedicated to sharing emu oil’s remarkable healing properties.
What sets Walkabout’s oil apart is its purity and potency. Unlike the commercial emu oils of decades past—often contaminated with additives, preservatives, and poor rendering methods—Will’s partners in Australia raise their emus organically for the quality of their oil, not the meat. Their process preserves delicate fat-soluble nutrients like vitamin K2 (MK-4), vitamin D3, and trace copper, all verified by laboratory testing. In fact, Weston A. Price’s own Sally Fallon had Will’s samples tested years ago and was astonished by the extraordinarily high levels of K2—higher than any product she’d ever seen. The result is a nutrient-dense oil that supports bone, cardiovascular, and cellular health from the inside out, while also working topically for skin and joint support. Every batch is certified under Australia’s TGA standards and independently tested before it reaches the United States.
Will’s commitment to integrity hasn’t come without challenges. The FDA once shut down his website for making health claims—proof, he says, that success and truth often attract unwanted attention. Despite that, Walkabout has grown through word of mouth, wholesale partners like Radiant Life, and passionate users who swear by its benefits. From emu capsules to body butter, every product remains as close to nature as possible. As Will put it, “We’re not here to make money—we’re here to help people.” His story reflects the heart of true healing—one that honors creation, rejects compromise, and keeps the flame of natural medicine burning bright. To learn more or try the oil yourself, visit WalkaboutHealthProducts.com
Remember Friends, The Power to Heal is Yours!
